How do you feel about Jesus?

[Samielleus Prince]

I know that not all angels are Christian, even the holy ones (Buhddism has holy angels of the gentle, merciful goddess "Kannon"). But what are your feelings on Jesus?

I sit and let the feelings come to me. I see him as my charge and my master. I love him very deeply, as my lord, son og God, and the little adorable babe I once, may have looked after before he was placed in his mother's womb. Even if my feelings a wrong, I have very strong feelings toward him. That he, like me, loved all equally, and he did so far better than I could ever hope to.

For those of you who know of Jesus, how does he effect you? What do you think of him? How do you feel about him?

[terro]

As far as I know, Buddhism (both Mahayana and Theravada) does not recognize deities other than the Parramatman that we all seek to return to. The Buddhist "Angels" are Bodhisattvas, divine spirits who are beings who attained enlightenment, and rather than return to Parramatman they have hung behind to help those still on the journey.

Angels are culturally universal and beyond religion, including the Judeo-Christian faiths. I believe in the Trinity, as far as Jesus being one manifestation of the Creator, but I do not really acknowledge Jesus as my savior. I see the Creator as the Creator.

I believe that all Angels are what we define on this forum as "Holy Angels" (I think to say an Angel is Holy is redundant), if an Angel does not serve the Creator, I believe they are either Fallen or not Angels.

[Samielleus Prince]

terro said:

As far as I know, Buddhism (both Mahayana and Theravada) does not recognize deities other than the Parramatman that we all seek to return to. The Buddhist "Angels" are Bodhisattvas, divine spirits who are beings who attained enlightenment, and rather than return to Parramatman they have hung behind to help those still on the journey.

That's true, but there is a Japanese sect of Buddhism, which I believe is called "Joh" Buddhism in which they believe in a goddess called Kannon, and the Tenshi, or angels, are her messengers. There is a story about a missionary going to Japan and showing the image of mother Mary to a lord's wife. She bowed to get a better look at the image and she requested many more copied of the image to keep in her home. What the missionary interpreted as reverence for Mary was actually The fuedal lord's wife's love of Kannon (who she assumed was pictured in the image).

I see him as a savior in a way, I'm still learning about myself, but he's always been there around with other angels. Always silent but watching so in a way he's a savior to me as well as a good friend.

[terro]

I've never known nor heard of Jesus to be present at all other than the time he was on Earth.

Additionally... do some research and you find that Kannon is not a goddess, she is a Bodhisattva. She is regarded at the same level as Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha.

Additionally this is not really Japanese Buddhism so much as plain old Mahayana Buddhism.

[Samielleus Prince]

terro said:

I've never known nor heard of Jesus to be present at all other than the time he was on Earth.

Additionally... do some research and you find that Kannon is not a goddess, she is a Bodhisattva. She is regarded at the same level as Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha.

Additionally this is not really Japanese Buddhism so much as plain old Mahayana Buddhism.

Bleh xD I took a class on it but I thought the teacher did suck...this confirms my suspicioun. And when I meant Jesus was always with my I meant only in this life, not in my prior existences xD.

[terro]

The reason I see Angels as being beyond religion is that they are culturally universal, and they predate every religion man has ever had.

Additionally, how many Incarnates are there that you've spoken to that agree with the things that other men say that God stands for?

God thinks all blacks are obsolete farm equipment
God thinks the Jews killed his son and must be punished
God thinks the white man is Satan
God thinks we should all convert to Judaism
God thinks we must all be Christians and
God thinks we should all embrace Islam
God thinks the only true religion is Hinduism
God thinks you're a waste of flesh
God prefers an Atheist
God thinks all people like you are hateful
God thinks all people like you are an embarrassment to creation
self-righteous, judgmental, first to throw a stone
and using His name for your own protection
God thinks the sun revolves around the Earth
God thinks there was something very wrong with Copernicus
God thinks abortion is murder and
God thinks everything that science gave us is wrong
God thinks women deserve it
God thinks AIDS is a form of punishment
God is a liberal
God is a democrat
God wants you to vote republican

Any who agree with all of that? Cause I haven't found any.

(that taken from the lyrics of "God Thinks" by Voltaire)

[Samielleus Prince]

Yes those are some pretty awful things, and I don't agree with any of them. It makes me really angry to hear those sort of things, not only because they're bigoted and biased, but becuase they put extreme limits on the limitless and frankly its insulting (at least I find it rather insulting).

But a lot of "incarnates" as you call them may not be aware of themselves, little if at all, so they may hold some of those opinions based on their human existence. It could be part of the reason some of us are here, because I'm sure there are angels out there that have very biased opinions of humans, fallen, demons, and etc too. That's especially true when dealing with earth bound angels. Everyone has an elitist attitude from time to time.

But back on topic (and to relate it to what you're saying terro) It makes me sad that even in this day in age, Jesus' message is distorted, raped, and twisted in order to suit someone's personal causes.

[terro]

That is why people need to trust what makes sense, not what has been translated several times and passed down through the ages plus some editing over the years and then taken as absolute law.

[Samielleus Prince]

You do have a point, and to further it Jesus never said (to anyone's knowledge), even in the revisions and in the edits over the years, anything about hating anyone, warring with non believers and etc. Talk about someone putting words in your mouth...

[sachael]

why have i sometimes gotten the feeling that i was there for His birth? *frowns in confusion and goes off to think more on the subject*

[Samielleus Prince]

I somtimes feel that way too, and Christmas has always been a huge deal to me (not becuase of presents, those are just a bonus). But I don't think I was there, just maybe watching from afar. I know I wasn't on earth at that time, so I'm not sure where I was...reminds me of a Christmas song though:

"Where you there, where you there on that Christmas night when the world was filled with a holy light? Were you there to behold as the wonder fortold came to earth. Where you there?

[Nemmy]

I think He was a good man. Given powers from our master. maybe as a test to see if he could put us in human form and have our missions procede properly

[terro]

I wouldn't say that Jesus was an Angel, let alone incarnate Angel. I believe prior to Jesus being born there were incarnates the world over, and many interactions with Angelic manifestations throughout the world. Jesus seems to be a completely separate case from Angels.

[Samielleus Prince]

I know I was on earth before Jesus (both as a spirit before magic went underground and a human) I just think Jesus's sacrifice made it an easier process, is all. Possibly becuase he made the route between heaven and earth more acessible to human spirits as well as angels? There have been disscussions before baout Jesus being angelkin and I'm with Terro in that I think that just isn't true. He's from God but he isn't like an angel, more like a direct part of God.

[terro]

I call it a manifestation of the Creator, seems to make more sense that way.

The popular idea is that having the Creator manifest as Human divinized the Human race and brought a stronger connection between mankind and the Creator. That is something I do put a bit of stock into, but still don't consider all that special.