Dark, Fallen and Holy

[luinbariel]

I'm sorry, Terro, but I don't follow your school of thought.

I don't consider myself a loner, either, actually. I've mentioned before having a memory of others with me at all times, and they're here now, as guides.

I think it's more that, in this case, you see my "classification" as such, and so to you I'm not part of the order of things that you know. That's ok, I don't mind. If that's what you need to call me to make it fit for you, than you can do that.

However for me, I've looked into celestial, and it doesn't fit. I know what I feel, and I know that angel is the CLOSEST word. Closest, mind you. I've said that before, as well. It's the best current fit from my point of view, and that's all that counts.

To you, angel is X. To me, angel is Y. Perhaps if you just accepted that, it would be easier to just go along with it.

I'm aware that I could be dead wrong, but I'm also aware that you could be, too. So for now, I'll go with what I feel is right and like, and you can go with what you like, and we can all just go along our own ways.

[terro]

In this instance, I'm not going by what my personal definition of Angel is. I'm going by what the word "angel" means.

[luinbariel]

And angel is a word that can be interpreted other ways, so far as I know. Even if it isn't, there are many other words out there that WE created, as humans. Doesn't make them the be-all end-all.

Also, like I already said (if not here, elsewhere) that it's the CLOSEST word that works. THE CLOSEST. If you don't like it or you interpret it differently, that's fine. But if I feel it's the closest word, I don't see why that should be such a problem.

[terro]

that's all fine and dandy. here's my distinction.

I said that, because you said: "To you, angel is X. To me, angel is Y. Perhaps if you just accepted that, it would be easier to just go along with it"

If you are saying that Angel is closest to what you believe you are, then you can't say that the meaning of Angel is different for you. It is a direct contradiction. That is what I am pointing out

[luinbariel]

Wow. You go after everything like a badger with his teeth dug in.


I in fact CAN say that it means something different to me while still using it as the CLOSEST word to describe myself; to me, the term is modified to be free of any religious ties or to include them, if whomsoever uses the word desires. Now that the word, in my mind at least, no longer necessitates religion, I can still use it; however, the word STILL has ties to it that I don't agree with, and that tend to be stereotypical, such as mental and physical images associated with the word.

I can disagree with those, but agree with the general idea; I don't have to appeal to anyone else in this matter. I don't have to accept what I'm given with closed eyes in the dark; I can open them and examine it in the light and at all angles if I so desire.

[terro]

again, direct contradiction, if the term is closest, and then you are saying you are modifying the term and then it is closest... you're not closest to the term are you, you are closest to a different term that is spelled and pronounced the same way.

And yes, I do pursue things with laser sights. If we leave leeway we can't be accurate can we. If we contradict ourselves, we can't be taken seriously.

[luinbariel]

Oh my god, wow.

I can't stand it anymore; I'm going to burst out laughing if I hang around much longer. You really need to find a way to take yourself less seriously, really.

I'm going to do that; I'm going to go do something fun instead of sit here and wait to hear how many other ways I can be told that I'm wrong, simply because YOU don't agree.

[terro]

have fun with that.

Burst out laughing with your feelings of frustration, it is a good coping habit.

It would have some grounding if you were able to agree with yourself, but apparently in those posts it doesn't seem to be working out that well.

[luinbariel]

... right.

[sachael]

will both of you just KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY?!?!?!
yes, you obviously have differing opinions. but that does NOT mean you need to fight it out in EVERY POST either of you make! we try to have a little bit of debate (mind you, ORGANIZED debate) on this forum, and you two are making that quite difficult with your incessant arguing. i'm not a moderator, but if this behavior continues, i'll go straight to those who ARE moderators, and petition to have the both of you banned so we can have some peace and quiet here. *draws sword and smites both of you* now SETTLE DOWN.

[terro]

lol, I'm calm Sach, I'm trying to hammer our terms.

How can we have an organized debate if you say Angel and mean a man with wings, and I say Angel and mean a stereo system?

[Shade]

Dude, Terro, you're just furthering the argument with that post.

[terro]

I'm logically supporting my point of view.

[Bonnie]

You are more acting like a pompous bastard, and trying to force your views on others, advertising them as abosolute truth.

There is a small line between friendly debate, and outright Asshattery.

[terro]

Thank you for joining the conversation, however I do not appreciate the personal attacks on my character.

If you go back and read my posts, and don't read a lot of the offense taken by Luinbariel... are they by themselves that bad, if so, please tell me how so I can ammend my behavior. "You are tearing apart people's beliefs" is very unspecific, especially when I am tearing at words used to express that belief in order to better understand it.