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Post by non-sequitur aeon on Jun 2, 2008 17:33:57 GMT -5
Post here suggestions/comments/concerns etc for otherkin hitting the pop culture scene.
With the internets taking over the world, information is obviously being spread much more quickly...and niche groups are receiving more exposure. Vampires are an example of a group that is starting to find itself in the mainstream now and then (i take us to that stupid show where people live some place for some time...and the one guy was a sang vamp. Or the explosion of books dedicated to being a vamp or protection from psi vamp. Shows such as taboo have also highlighted odd focus groups in the world). What i'm essentially getting to is that otherkin have begun to (and will continue to) become more mainstream...whether or not anyone likes it. What are some brainstorms and the like for how to effectively create the best possible scenarios. Also, as most here are used to letting pop culture take its course with little affinity. Would you be any more (or less) likely to publicly define yourself as a kin....if it was socially acceptable?
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scars
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Post by scars on Jun 2, 2008 17:39:17 GMT -5
To be honest i dont really care what anyone says about us, we know the truth dont we?. The obvious thing is how to stop fluffies if being "kin" starts to be fashionable.
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Post by non-sequitur aeon on Jun 2, 2008 18:14:55 GMT -5
The obvious thing is how to stop fluffies if being "kin" starts to be fashionable. that's part of the question.... |
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Post by scars on Jun 3, 2008 17:52:23 GMT -5
apart from a great big ban hammer with spikes on?. i suppose we'll just have to be more vigilant.
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Post by ladyangel on Jun 3, 2008 23:22:37 GMT -5
I think if that happened it's the sign the end is near.
Seem like a trap. to get us to comfortable to come forward. I hope no one is that dumb to do so. Cause you know there will haters out there somewhere. ie "hunters" probably who claim we need to be save by being tortured and
melted or something.
Call me parnoid! ;D
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Post by kiera on Jun 27, 2008 11:59:09 GMT -5
I don't typically volunteer that information about myself, but I don't lie about it either. Not that I've ever had anyone look at me and say (in seriousness), "you're an angel, aren't you?". It's mostly the past life stuff I get accused of. I personally don't see any reason for this kind of thing to become public knowledge....and my past isn't just my secret, it's the Church's secret (long story)and God's business. I have a hard time taking people seriously when they claim to be something other than human unless I actually "pick that up" off them. Call me cynical but I want to know why we never meet any reincarnated Babylonian prostitutes or roman slaves? What about the British country peasants? Don't they get a second "go round" once in a while?
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Post by non-sequitur aeon on Jun 28, 2008 19:05:16 GMT -5
agreed, there's certainly a self-fulfilling prophecy amongst many. otherkin/pastlives/all sorts of new ages stuffs can be used to help cater such.
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Post by kareshi on Jul 1, 2008 16:49:02 GMT -5
Otherkin will make it to mainstream eventually. The pagans did, the vampires did, the furrie community did... Otherkin will be there. Now while you might not personally care and show this whole big bravado, I do. Scars, you said we might need to use a big ban hammer with spikes on it, or just be more vigilant. Why is it some people preach that and then get angry at me for doing just that!?
Why do I question things harshly? Why do I refuse to accept people's possible craziness as solid fact? Why do I not treat Otherkin like some kind of game or fun activity to play with and have a hug party afterwards? I respect Otherkin, as a concept and as a community. There are people who struggle with this, who do not know what they are going through, and rather than let them run into a bunch of people who want to roleplay, I'd rather see a community that is supportive and informative.
I do care about what is said, not about me, but more about Otherkin in general. The current info when you look up Otherkin is that they're like fur fetishists, but instead of believing they're squirrels that want to do it with donkeys, they're elves that want to do it with dragons. Tolkien geeks who have gotten so wrapped up in fantasy and wishing that they were Legolas that they decided they are. I've been trying to gear it slowly towards the definition by those who have worked years in the community to build, individuals who identify, whether spiritually, physically, mentally or emotionally as other than Human.
So for all those who have gotten angry at me, who have felt offended when I shot at fluffy posts, or pushed for a more accurate or intelligent way of expressing ideas, strived for accurate use of words and a glossary to be understood and used universally... what do you think I have been trying to do!?
I'll be the one to call Paranoia on buns up there... This isn't X-men, if people find out about Otherkin, we'll be... well hunted by channers so they can get lulz by power-trolling forums... that's already happened. so don't worry too much about it.
If someone were to stalk you, attack you, hurt you, kill you... they will be found and tried by the court of law, in the US they will be harshly punished. C'mon, find me a judge who will not throw the book at a man who travels around looking for "Demons" so that he can slay them to save the world, and found one innocent kid with a weird religion, stalked them and murdered them in cold blood. House Kheperu and the Sanguinarium don't have these problems... they just get junior high school kids who watch too many movies and try to sound tough on the internet.
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Post by non-sequitur aeon on Jul 2, 2008 20:44:56 GMT -5
-nod- this is what i was looking to expose and discuss with this question. i'll write my reaction here in a few days when i have some time.
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scars
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Post by scars on Jul 3, 2008 16:54:01 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe you're more vigilant than most kareshi..but sometimes you have to know when to stop too. Maybe some aren't really kin, but as long as they are decent people and behave as such does it really matter?. It's the ridiculous or offensive ones we have to be wary of.
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Post by ladyangel on Jul 3, 2008 17:18:29 GMT -5
"I'll be the one to call Paranoia on buns up there... This isn't X-men, if people find out about Otherkin, we'll be... well hunted by channers so they can get lulz by power-trolling forums... that's already happened. so don't worry too much about it."
Well if its happened before why do we want to shout oooh Im a dragon or something and have it happen again? If this all becomes mainstream? Real otherkin and wannabes are gonna all become all chuncked together...it has now somewhat. Oh why to I speak I probably make no sense anyway. Just trying to understand the concept is all. I was refering to the witch trails more so than X-men. Love the X-men though;)
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Post by kareshi on Jul 4, 2008 9:54:49 GMT -5
To scars: Everyone who comes to an Otherkin forum and is not a roleplayer or a troll, is an Otherkin. Otherkin does not mean you *are* inhuman in some capacity, but that you *believe* you are inhuman in some way.
The ridiculous and crazy ones just have to be met with correct and accurate technology, and trolls have to be ignored. Simple, effective. Now the question is this, you say sometimes I go too far, what is too far, what is justifiable?
To Ladyangel: Shouting out your Otherkin experience doesn't makes it more likely that channers will notice you, but many other places who are mature and knowledgeable get targeted as well, Otherkin Alliance is one such place. You say that real Otherkin and "wannabes" will get chunked together, can you tell me who is real and who is fake? Can you prove that you are actually inhuman?
The witch trials don't work... especially being that Wicca is an accepted religion, many other older pagan religions are totally acceptable, first ammendment. If someone were to discriminate against you because of your Otherkin belief, they are guilty of discrimination based on religious beliefs. If someone were to stalk or attack you, they are in far worse troubles.
The X-men comment comes from the more modern explanation of descrimination. In the comic line(s) the X-men star in, the mutants are different from Humanity with many talents and abilities, and as such they are feared and rejected by common society, it is a modern day and modern world set of witch trials (especially with the Mutant Registration Act and other such events). Many Otherkin, especially the very fluffy, find Otherkin to be inhuman, and believe they have special powers. They think that if Otherkin becomes mainstream, that they'll need professor X to help us from all those oppressive Sapient bullies.
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Post by scars on Jul 4, 2008 15:16:46 GMT -5
Too far is questioning them to the point of distraction, frustration ,and eventually leaving.
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Post by kareshi on Jul 4, 2008 15:19:23 GMT -5
is it my fault for asking, or their fault for one of:
A) not answering
B) not being willing to question themselves or their own claims
C) overly sensitive about the possibility of being wrong or even slightly mistaken
D) repeated logical fallacies
E) any of the above in any combination?
and let's say this, what if you ask a question, three people answer, one finds it overly offensive against their beliefs and leaves... is it your fault for asking the question?
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Post by ladyangel on Jul 4, 2008 15:23:22 GMT -5
Mmmk
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