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Post by kareshi on Apr 7, 2008 14:03:18 GMT -5
Hey everybody,
Just checking in to see thoughts of Angelic wards and binds.
I am of the mind that Angels are not like other beings in the sense that when you think of a Dragon, you think of a Draconic soul in a Draconic body, however Angels and Demons do not naturally have physical bodies, they just are. Thus when Angels incarnate, there are things a little different to them.
Additionally I believe Angels exist outside the universe, and were part of the process of creating and maintaining the universe as mandated by the Creator. This would give Angels power over this existence in many cases, to reduce things to a computer system, this gives Angels administrative access.
Long story short, I believe when Angels incarnate, that they are kept in the body and their power over creation and everything else they would usually have is restrained and drained by a series of binds which hold the powers in check as well as block memory and the like, as well as wards which serve to absorb the energy coming out and as a defense mechanism for any spiritual force trying to come in.
An average angel may have anywhere between 5 and 10 wards, and 5 to 10 binds all together. Some are easier to undo than others.
What do you all think?
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Post by scars on Apr 7, 2008 18:37:48 GMT -5
I'd agree with your words so far . It'd be like trying to fit a nuclear explosion into a watch battery.
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Post by non-sequitur aeon on Apr 8, 2008 18:21:49 GMT -5
i'll agree mostly with the ward theories...i'm only a bit assiduous towards the wording. i don't feel debilitated/handicapped or in any way bound from who/what i am...rather i feel the presence of an untapped potential....with given restrictions that come natural with a physical existence.
it's interesting that you mention a sort of defense...without going into unnecessary detail....that's a statement that i definitely resonate with...
your 'server' analogy seems rather accurate in my thought-form. though it goes to argue that anything with a spirit would have access to some degree....i feel it to be more determined by an individual's control and focus than their species (though it goes to say that some would innately gravitate towards/be more intrinsically capable....celestials being an obvious one.) my example of this is many occult workings that also work through a deity's will/blessing in order to achieve desired effects. not too much unlike angels...though typically without the same immediate access/perks.
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Post by kareshi on Apr 8, 2008 21:29:28 GMT -5
Agreed, there are many, and I do believe that the nature of reality can be effected at times by willpower and prayer and blessings from divine forces.
With Angels though, that's what they were built to do, and in many pagan practices, beings that are or are similar to Angels are called upon and have aid in doing so requested of them.
My main reason for supporting the need to bind is this. In life, if we have past life memories, it is pot luck of what we remember, Angels who may know the nature of the universe, the plan for all things... that could get hairy.
How good an experience could an Incarnate Angel have if by the age of five in that Human body, they suddenly recall the truth behind Jesus or the day of the apocalypse or maybe even the origins of mankind... but not recall the wisdom to understand what it means or how to use it?
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Post by non-sequitur aeon on Apr 9, 2008 0:48:37 GMT -5
How good an experience could an Incarnate Angel have if by the age of five in that Human body, they suddenly recall the truth behind Jesus or the day of the apocalypse or maybe even the origins of mankind... but not recall the wisdom to understand what it means or how to use it? agreed, though one would have to be an angel of a rather prolific standing...to have such insights (i recognize that you're just using that as an example)... the dangers of uncovering full access to memories would be quite catastrophic to one's psyche (perhaps within exceptions but that's debatable). so to further the conversation...what are some examples of wards/binds....and opinions on their comparative need/importance/strength? |
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Post by ladyangel on Apr 9, 2008 3:26:43 GMT -5
This is the only place I have seen that agrees. Most say adminately that they have no wards. on them that not every angel does. Which maybe true. I do agree the all angels have to have at least one into to block memory. All I know for me and my experience is that I did have wards and binds put on me due to some bad behavior. Heh I young angel newly awakened I wanted to test things out but that was a no no apparently. So my winds were binded and a ward up on my engery manipulation. could not play with my energy anymore. I was miserable.
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Post by kareshi on Apr 9, 2008 10:31:04 GMT -5
I find that Otherkin.com has a lot who adamantly disagree, and of course Luinbariel who is not an Angel and therefore is outside the paradigm.
Actually as a result of my article, there are a lot more people than you think who have become open to the explanation and the idea of binds and wards.
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Post by luinbariel on Apr 9, 2008 11:30:35 GMT -5
Thank you for making my decision for me, Kareshi. I really appreciate it.  |
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Post by kareshi on Apr 9, 2008 21:31:48 GMT -5
did you not say it yourself? I think it's more that, in this case, you see my "classification" as such, and so to you I'm not part of the order of things that you know. That's ok, I don't mind. If that's what you need to call me to make it fit for you, than you can do that. However for me, I've looked into celestial, and it doesn't fit. I know what I feel, and I know that angel is the CLOSEST word. Closest, mind you. I've said that before, as well. It's the best current fit from my point of view, and that's all that counts. I could go and dig up other references, but again, you have stated here and on other forums that you are something similar to an Angel, thus why you title yourself "Angelic" and not "Angel." Unless you would like to switch gears again and say you're an Angel. In the future though, as harmless as a karma counter is, I would appreciate you not using it to attack me for re-stating what you have in less words. |
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Post by luinbariel on Apr 9, 2008 22:16:40 GMT -5
Actually I didn't use the karma thing against you. I don't touch it. You can ask an admin if you don't believe me, but I do believe they are able to see who does that sort of thing? I do know who DID use it, but I'll leave it up to them to say it if they would like, or to keep it private if they would like. Please refrain to jumping to conclusions like that in the future; I may not like you very much, but I'm not petty.
Also, I said that it was the closest definition, but I am still exploring for myself and haven't yet made a decision either way. This does not mean that others can decide for me. I am, as yet, truly undecided and still exploring.
So please, continue your discussion of wards, and leave me specifically out of it unless I wish to actually join in this conversation here. That would be much appreciated.
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Post by kareshi on Apr 9, 2008 22:19:05 GMT -5
Just repeating what you already said.
If I am mistaken, please do explain your point of view...
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Post by luinbariel on Apr 9, 2008 22:24:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but as I said, I do not wish to join this conversation at this time, and I am tired of arguing with you, where this is likely to go.
Also please note, I did say in the quote of me that you used that it's the best current fit from my point of view. It is subject to change as I move along and learn more.
We don't agree; let's leave it at that. PLEASE.
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Post by kareshi on Apr 9, 2008 22:28:37 GMT -5
If you don't want to say anything, then don't bring anything up.
So if you would like to add your own expertise to the subject of wards, please do. If not, please cease the off-topic tangents.
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Post by luinbariel on Apr 9, 2008 22:36:03 GMT -5
*sighs and moves on*
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Post by ladyangel on Apr 10, 2008 0:53:30 GMT -5
I find that Otherkin.com has a lot who adamantly disagree, and of course Luinbariel who is not an Angel and therefore is outside the paradigm. Actually as a result of my article, there are a lot more people than you think who have become open to the explanation and the idea of binds and wards. Oh my I did not mean to start a war with my reply.  eek But its good to know there are a lot more openminded to this idea thank I think. I know its possible not all agree that very well maybe true. ward and binds do exsist as in such and are used. Is what I think. |
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eek But its good to know there are a lot more openminded to this idea thank I think. I know its possible not all agree that very well maybe true. ward and binds do exsist as in such and are used. Is what I think.