What are Azure?

[Nemmy]

terro said:

My point is basically this, the notion that mankind is so amazing and important is fostered by books and religions made by men in power that wanted to attract followers and thus depict man as holy and blessed and that this world is the center of the universe..

That I agree with.

[terro]

never really said I was one with the Earth, my name relates to it, but that's all. The name Jethro means "friend of God" but it doesn't mandate that every person named Jethro is a faithful servant.

What makes me believe are my memories, honestly for a long time I did believe I was nothing special, just an old Angel. These things did not feel right to me, and somewhere in the back of my mind I actually considered the possibility that I was Seraphim. After a while, several friends got me to stop being so modest as to deny that I was anything other than an old fogy and accept the possibility of being something greater. I then started using the term Seraphim, one of my friends chuckled, though I never knew why until later.

As I continued, the term Seraphim (which I assumed because I believe my true form is that of the six wings and eyes) seemed to fit less and less, wrong label on the jar so to speak. Then I started remembering why. The Seraphim had a very specific purpose, there were twelve, the first was the Metatron, the voice and herald of the Creator, the next seven controlled what we know as the plagues of Egypt, and the last four will come as what we will recognize to be the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. I really didn't fit there. That was when the friend who chuckled basically shook me around and went, "dude, quit pussy footing around and accept who you are." That was when I accepted my belief of being of the Forty.

I still question it, but my beliefs have shown me no other recourse. I know it makes me sort of hypocritical, I see that most people who use the term Seraphim mentally suffer from the idea that because you are more powerful than Human imagining, you must be a very high ordered Angel. The problem is that even the Angels choir is beyond the capacity of Human possibility. The Ascended can't go toe-to-toe with even the meakest of true Angels, Ascended however can do a number on very lesser spirits, Human souls, certain chaotic entities, they just aren't the heavy hitters.

[Samielleus Prince]

See take everything you just said, only reverse it, that was my experience. When I felt what was true, I thought to myself "no way, it must just be me being narcissistic." So I actively tried my best to find "lesser" forms and see if they were true to what I was, but nothing was right. Once in a while I'd go back to Seraph and every time I did I felt as if it was "right" this was over a span of about 6 or 7 years now and I still do that, try to see if I m in fact not what I know and feel is true.

Though I do feel now that I was not originally a Seraph, but promoted by completing a task. I'm writing an allegory about it now and the fact that its flowing so freely from me is both scary and exciting. I'll probably post it here for critique and editing later. I was not originally a weaver either...just a spirit I suppose. Maybe a mortal creature from one of the world previous, that I don't know.

[terro]

See here's the thing that doesn't fit though. What do the Seraphim do? With what you say about what you do and where you go, it doesn't fit into what the Seraphim are believed to do.

Additionally my doubt is chiefly why I don't go on about being one of the forty, I have it on my banner mainly as a seed to see if anyone else knows what it is. If they do that will corroborate my belief.

[Samielleus Prince]

And that is why I say I am Seraph, try and create as many images of myself (current) as I can and ask people thier reactions to my name. Seraphim priase the lord and sing his blessings, at least from what I've read in scripture. Sure I'm not one of the original twelve but I think that singing the lord's blessings comes in many forms. In the allegory The lord asks me to come see him and praise him and that is all that he wants from me, though I was not a Seraph at that time. Just to make sure we're on the same page what is it, you feel, is a Seraph's true job?

Also, what Seraphim are beleived to do is written by man, so after reading your previous posts, why would you put so much stock into something you know is written by humans on this subject? Do you have memories of Seraphim and saw what they did? Please share, I'd like to know .

EDIT: After reading this, it comes across as sarcastic, NO SARCASM intended. I'm being serious xD.

Also, thinking on it I really wouldn't care if you were right and I'm not a Seraph, in fact you're the first person to question/doubt it(or at least the first person to vocalize it) so I'm really interested in conversing with you more about it ^_^. Looking forward to your next post.

[terro]

While I do support that not everything written by Humans is correct, many things are, yet are just mis-interpreted.

I recall the Seraphim singing praise and all that, except constantly being in the exact same place. Not so much the Human written idea of doing nothing but singing praise for all eternity, but so much as watching and waiting for their time to come.

[Samielleus Prince]

I'm not trying to purposely make connections with seraphim but here's how I interperate myself into that:

I beleive that my time hasn't come yet. I mean I don't think I've done anything particularly fantastic with myself and I feel like my purpose hasn't been shown to me yet, despite asking and being "ready to go already!" And while I have lost most of my musical talent in humanity I can sing, often best while singing church hymns in latin. I can't sing in english at all for some reason, not to where it sounds good (this is not me assuming, this is what I've been told by others and I agree).

Though I DO diverge from the Seraphim being in the same spot. That I simply can't seem to do. It is part of my vary nature to change, morph, forge new avenues when trapped, and never stay in one place too long. (geeze, I feel like I'm talking about myself too much @_@). But the best way I can describe my inner self is to relate to the element of Volcanic (a combination of earth and fire that acts like water). That's my nature in a nutshell.

But Prehaps being that way, in a constant state of flux, is in a way being in one place. I'm never still, that would be a change of place in comparison to my one consistencey: change. As for physical place, if the Seraphim are always with god, always closest to him, and he is everywhere and everything, wouldn't it make sence for his closest angels to be spread out, one in every place where God can be found?

Yet again this is not me trying to hold myself up or trying to prove I am something, just trying to throw ideas out. ^^. This discussion has helped me immensly. Lets keep it up (though terribly off topic xD lol).

[non-sequitur aeon]

In all honesty, i've found choirs to be of little signifigance in matters of celestial workings....and even less so, if at all, while corporeal. It may be nice to know where one 'came from' or is....but realistically, self evaluation of one's abilities and innate gravitations will do better to determine their identity....It's interesting to me how caught up some can get (i'm speaking in VERY general terms and am not referring to any board members so much as this argument in whole) into the nomenclature of themselves and how little they may simply 'live it'. Perhaps i'm just being a bit ostentatious but it seems as though our humanity gets the best of us in the desire to label and be labeled. Let's not forget that Aquinas' system (though quite sound and one i resonate with) is not the only work written on celestials...dunno though i'm ranting.....just saying that we're all family and while the connection is omnipresent the attention isn't always 'tuned'...so don't worry so much about the connotations if your intuition guides you to a name, choir, order, etc....i merely suggest not to place too much importance on it.

[terro]

I agree that choirs have little to do with anything while incarnated, and really your job is your job while you're up there, choir is not a large portion of what you do.

Here is my point. If it has fur, paws and it barks it's a dog as the old saying goes. I've met people who claim to be Angels yet claim to not serve any divinity nor even acknowledge any, bear no messages to no party, do not associate with order and does not guard or guide anything or anyone.

I feel we probably should reopen this in another thread, as we've moved far from the alleged existence of Azure. Back to the original point of this... we have covered that Azure are believed to be young Angels who have not chosen a side.

Where did this information come from? I've never heard of Azure other than here, I see no evidence after some searching, and having asked a good number of other Angel and theology buffs... Azure Angel (which by the way Azure is defined as basically being a light or even purplish shade of blue) is completely unheard of.

[Samielleus Prince]

I think it may have come from the "Doreen Virtue" and other such new age schools of thought (like Crystal and Indigo children. Indigo children have nothing to do with the color, but that's what they're called anyway.

I'm going to open a new topic and copy paste that portion of the discussion into it ^^ I'll simply call it "Choirs" and since its a topic that predominantly has to do with holy angels, that is where I'll stick it. (since on this forum we cant split threads for some reason otherwise I would have done it days ago.)

[terro]

proboards... urg...

Azure still strikes me as less than even "Indigo Children" because even Indigo children have a wiki. Azure.... who knows?

Really there's one person on this forum who has any idea about them, and I'm hoping that there is some grounding towards their existence.

[Samielleus Prince]

Well that person would be Bonnie, as she created the forums. I had no clue either until I joined this forum. I'm sure she didn't make it up though, I shall google it!

*does*

aaaaand I got nothin.

[terro]

I had no clue about it prior to coming here, I still have no clue other than a term for a young Angel who has not chosen alignment or some such.

As far as I know, the term for a young Angel, is a young Angel. As far as everything I've ever seen, Angels are born either as an Angel, or as a Fallen if they are the product of two Fallen procreating. I do believe in Angelic procreation, though I have never seen nor heard of it happening outside of the nephalim (which were the product of Fallen Angels manifested as Humans, and Humans).

[Samielleus Prince]

Meh xD I'll get Bonnie in here to enighten us a bit. I honestly never heard of it either.

[terro]

rockin'