What are Azure?

[Samielleus Prince]

terro said:

my thoughts exactly.

Now in the theory that beings that are not Angels through service and accomplish may ascend to become Angels (those Angels being referred to as the Ascended), if the Ascended exist, would they be considered Azure?

Thats what I was wondering. I personally believe that humans have the ability, in death, to become angel, demon, anything they want really (or at least be on the road to becoming something different) So I suppose it would make sense for a really good or strong human to become angelic would be classified as Azure.

[terro]

I don't believe they have the option. I believe in the case of ascended, it is something that is passed down from the Creator and the Creator alone.

[Samielleus Prince]

terro said:

I don't believe they have the option. I believe in the case of ascended, it is something that is passed down from the Creator and the Creator alone.

I don't quite see it that way, but possibly the creator puts the ability in each human to do so but not the realization. Maybe only he can give the life situations nessisary to enable us to realize we can become more. So that way its more a test (as that seems to be the lay of the land so to speak) rather than The creator deciding all of a sudden that assension is nessisary for the individual. Maybe like a matter of choice vrs destiny thing.

[terro]

Changing from the soul of a Human to becoming an Angel is a complete change of the structure of one's being. Being directly linked to the Creator and able to serve as a conduit for Her glory and consciousness. Attaining power of the nature of existence and the ability to form a weapon that can easily wound the soul itself.

These things are not in the realm of something a Human is capable of without divine intervention.

Something has to make you an Angel, you just prove yourself worthy of the honor.

[Samielleus Prince]

terro said:

Something has to make you an Angel, you just prove yourself worthy of the honor.

That I DO wholeheartedly agree with, and those sort of people are very rare, especially today (though that's probably wrong, all of history has its share of "bad times"). But it just seems like people today are particularly selfish, and many have sunk into a state of cosmic apathy. If you're Athiest or Agnostic then by golly be the best Atheist or Agnostic you can be. None of this "Bleh I don't care about nothing, just give me a beer some weed and a Xbox 360 and I'm good." (notice I did not choose "Wii" as that would involve effort).

Even if you don't know God (and I know some will disagree) if you care for others and promote the well being of your fellow man, I think some consideration will be given to you. To serve others is to serve God, in my opinion, and I think He would take that into account when choosing servants.

[terro]

I think you're missing my point...

My point is basically this, the notion that mankind is so amazing and important is fostered by books and religions made by men in power that wanted to attract followers and thus depict man as holy and blessed and that this world is the center of the universe.

Service and worthiness might make you worthy of the honor, but it's gotta be a whole lot of worthiness to be noticed, and then there has to be the need for another Ascended.

[Samielleus Prince]

Oh ok, I must have mis read. And yeah, people think they are the center of the universe (especially some family members I could mention, but won't >.<) That is compounded by Steven Hawking's new scientific theory of multiple universes through black holes. So not only is there one universe...but infinite amounts of them! Make a person feel small, eh?

[terro]

It does, which is why others will strive to assure you that you are truly unique... my issue is, Humans are unique and special... just like everything else (Elves, Fae, Dragons, so on and so forth).

[Samielleus Prince]

Yes indeed, and I think human or kin EVERYONE has a need to feel like they play some huge role in the universe, which is why you never have ork or troll kin, or even imp kin. This is NOT to say that people choose what they are in anyway, but sometimes one has to wonder WHY there are so many say, Seraphim running around instead of just normal angels (yes, I include myself in all this. No exceptions, everyone has that need to feel special)

In my defense (from myself xD) I never choose to be Seraphim, I just am. And that in and of itself doesn't make me important or special, I serve god just like all other holy angels do. Its when god calls us to do something, that's when we are truely unique or special.

[terro]

No one ever chooses to be any specific choir, honestly I don't even believe that there are that many of the upper Echelon.

I believe when it comes to Seraphim, there are only twelve of them, and rare is it they do anything outside the core of the Silver City.

[Samielleus Prince]

Well I'll have to disagree with you on that, Terro but obviously you're entitled to your beliefs as I am mine. I do think though if you're good, ask really nicely and God finds you worthy, you can be exalted. Haahaa I could be like the 13th Apostle, Rufus! xD *Dogma reference* Maybe there were later Seraphim who got promoted from other choirs or other bits of existence, that weren't originally part of the 12? who knows, only the Creator for sure.

[terro]

I don't feel that asking nicely is all there is to it. Your Choir is your direct family, changing it is not so easy as changing your office location. I do believe that Angels do change choir, I believe I did, but it doesn't come from asking, it comes from proving yourself worthy and thereby being re-assigned to fill in a higher position.

You can't fill in that position if there is no position to be filled. I believe in the 12 Seraphim having one very specific purpose, which has not changed since the beginning, nor will it change. The other choirs, especially the Angels Choir rapidly expands and needs a great many to fulfill those jobs.

[Samielleus Prince]

Well I'm going to choose the "Ask nicely" route becuase I really don't think I'm worthy enough to be one, but as it doesn't really matter what I think, I only do things and go places the Creator asks me to go. And He made me a Seraph because he wanted me to be one (as I beleive I did ask, as I'm not sure what I was before but I wasn't originally a Seraph, just a spirit perhaps? not sure.) I know I'm not one of the twelve, nor would I ever presume so much of myself. All i know is I've 6 wings, a diadem, and the nickname "Prince" as I don't know what my "true" name is yet . And in the end, I don't really think it matters. If God wants me to become a lizard with 5 feet then so be it :3.

[terro]

What is it that makes you believe you are a Seraphim?

If you were granted a job, the only reason is because you were worthy of it. The Creator doesn't deal with Structural employment issues.

[Samielleus Prince]

What makes you beleive that you are one of the forty with students and one with the earth? I can only assume becuase you have tested it true. I have tried to deny it, test it, and have been trying to find less grandious forums to equate myself to. Each time I came back to the beleif that I am a Seraph. If I am wrong then there is only one I need to answer to, and even if I'm very wrong I know he will not judge me, only if I go against his teachings.