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[terro]

I'm just shocked at the lack of information held by Mr. Silentflame

[redeemer143]

If it weren't for the fact that he typed a bit better, I would have thought it was Sefewet himself.

[SilentFlame]

Aah, you actually thought you acomplished something there.
Good for you.

I've read that. And for those interested my username on otherkin.com is Faiaarashi.

If anyone of you, are able to read between the lines instead of getting joy over fulfilling your skeptical minds with proof,
you would see it's a typcial way of saving yourself from a ban.

And in the sense, some things weren't true back then as he said, but are true now.
What he hadn't acomplished back then he has now.

However, I was not going to answer anything more, becouse I'm normally not the helping person, but since I actually have written back I can just as well go the whole way.

I would like to speak with you one on one, or in group, in a live conversation on a messenger; perhaps MSN.
Then I would be able to directly answer your questions and make it "make more sense" then before.

I want to help you, becouse I know I am right, and as long as you have nothing dead-important to do instead I suggest you take this opportunity to let me invite you into the future.

Peace, Seirènne (aka. Silent Flame)

[redeemer143]

Answer me this, what does a heavenly war have anything to do with aliens? That is one of the MANY strange things Sefewet mentioned. I will not even think of speaking with you until you can answer my question.... and only if your answer makes sense. And I mean real decent sense, not this vague fluffy stuff.

[terro]

wow... just wow...

so after reading about how you claim it is possible to use mundane shadows as weapons, say that it is possible for a person with enough study to actually create matter through magickal means and even defend that people can physically shapeshift into their "true forms..." I must ask how this makes you at all credible? Especially when defending an individual who not only admitted he was wrong and making things up, but then was also blatantly guilty of having cold hard facts blatantly wrong.

If he was so right... why is it that he was wrong?

you want to find my msn, it's on my profile, spit your BS and try and justify your beliefs, but you'd better have something better than "That's just the way it is" to reinforce your point of view.

[IgnisRaven]

Usually when people say "prince of angels" they just want to be in power and feel better about themself.


-Ignis

[redeemer143]

Exactly our point. There is no angel prince, unless you want to count Christ.... But I don't think that title befits him so well. (Well, I mean it does and it doesn't.)

[terro]

I wouldn't count Jesus as anything among Angels. Samael might have been called the Prince of Angels, Michael is called The Prince of Heaven in the presence of God, but Jesus was not an Angel by any stretch.

[SilentFlame]

I offer a way of explaining myself in a easier way, and you decline until I make more sense on this forum?
I do not understand your reasoning, but I will if you need so.

Earth have been under a tremendous shift for the latest years.
This is becouse god's big plan is coming near It's key moment.
The whole reason for mankind at this moment is to awake, and understand.
-To search inside themselves, find the answers, and become what god created mankind as.
In order to do this, many obstacles will be in the way.
The negative energies has been absorbed by Earth for thousands of years, yet more.
Now, nearing the ending times, Earth must choke up all the chaos at once, so that mankind can live here in peace for the coming years thereafter.
This will be shown very clearly by Tornado's et.c.

However this is not the only problem.
This second problem is not specific for earth, this have happend the planet where I lived, and other planets in other dimensions et.c.
In the time of Adam & Eve, there were more humans then the bible mentions.
Adam & Eve symbols the people which fell in sin.
The other people that didn't, are today called the people of the "Ashtar Galactic Command"
They are protecting mankind from outside earth, in the 5th dimension (we lived in the 3rd dimension, but right now as I write this we are in the 4th which wakens emotions and ESP differently from normal.) The goal is to transcend us into the 5th.
We are short on time, those which won't make it into the 5th dimension in time will witness some horrible things here on earth.
Here is where the aliens enters the scene.
There will be many sorts of aliens, some which looks like demons, some reptiles. (They are already on earth, they are waiting for the key moment. They are in human bodies and there's been MANY witnesses on their transformation back to their form.)

Among all this, there are the demons, too. The demons of hell are fallen angels, but luckily their leader Lucifer has now asked for forgiveness to god and are working with him.
He's making sure murderers are going to hell when they die, their spirit so to speak.

And the last type I can think of right now are the "League of special volounteers" Which are people from other planets and dimensions which offers their help to mankind in these strugglefull times, which I am one of.

Now if you have any questions regarding this, or want further details, then add me on: "[e-mail]" (I changed mail)

[terro]

If it weren't for my rising drive to actually put something a little bit more truthful on this forum in order to counteract the cotton you have just flung around (which by now is about asshole-deep to a 10-foot indian) I would reply with something along the lines of, "Ok terrific, go back to your corner until the sugar rush wears off."

For those of you uninterested, stop reading there, that should be plenty.

Now as for your inaccuracies, *cracks fingers and neck, then back, stretches out,* let's start down the list.

Earth has been under a tremendous shift, and there is too much "Chaos energy." Well uh... no if anything there is more order than chaos. Large corporation and government influence in all of our daily lives... that's order right there. Open rioting and anarchy, dissolution of all societal staples we know would be chaos.

This whole thing being part of God's big plan thing... Since when was mankind, and Earth in general, such a crucial element? Earth is a planet, Humans are a species. If mankind all die in an Apocalypse, the souls will continue into some other venue on their path towards spiritual enlightenment or eternity, whichever you choose. Now what exactly will be shown by tornadoes and the like?

Adam and Eve were the original holders of the covenant, that's it, end of story. The fifth dimension, fourth dimension, third dimension... planes of existence and dimensions are totally different. Dimensions are mathematical calculations of physical geometry, of which there are eleven if I'm not mistaken. Planes are different universes, they operate under different laws of existence. As I recall mankind was independant, if protection is needed it is provided by the Angels Choir or another choir if the situation warrants it, as with all beings given Free Will.

Many witnesses to their transformation back into true form... in that case, why are we hearing about it from you on a small otherkin board?

Demons of Hell are Fallen Angels? Last I checked Demons are Demons, and Fallen Angels are Fallen Angels, some Fallen Angels are Demons, but that is a small percentage. Lucifer is leader of about half of the Fallen Angels as far as I've heard, the rest actually want him dead for one reason or another. If he had accepted forgiveness that was offered so longer ago you cannot conceptualize the timespan, we'd be in a whole different ball game.

Hell isn't for punishment of sinners, they have plenty of places to go. Hell is Lucifer's own realm, manifested of his own anguish and betrayal made solid in the darkness outside the silver city before this universe was a completed blueprint. It's his house, and he doesn't let just anyone in... of the few that actually want in.

"League of Special Volunteers." Good one. That's all I have to say.

[redeemer143]

O.O.... wow.... just wow.

(Side note: there have been cases of what people have called "Reptilians", some people believe them to be aliens or demons. I personally believe that if people did see them they were demons. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this guy, but it is what I have heard many a time. Oh, and as strange as it is to me, there are quite a few people that believe the same things this guys is saying. Look up nearly any lightworkers sites and you will probably find at least some reference to reptilians and/or annuakai (sp?).)

Whatever, I'm not gonna get myself all mixed up in this alien stuff anymore. Besides, aliens creep me out. Severely.

[terro]

Aliens don't bother me, Reptilians don't bother me, terrorists don't bother me.

What's the worst they can do... kill me?

[Bonnie]

In my opinion, anything like this can only really be determined as a matter of opinion, which obviously turns in debate. All I really have to say is, even if something is inaccurate according to your beliefs, should you not at least - even for a moment - entertain the possibility that perhaps some, maybe even a great majority of what he has said is, in fact, truth?

We all should know the world is far, far, far more complicated then anyone could understand. Humans might not recognize that, but should we, at least, as Angels be able to recognize that and not have such a...human reaction to a simple matter of opinion?

As far as "aliens" go, while yes, I do believe they exist, I would more align the term to be similar to "aliens" from another country, like if someone from another country comes into the U.S.A., they are called an "alien", because they are foreign.

After so many years of so many stories and such after the first initial recordings of U.F.O's, like the one in Roswell, we can easily believe the descriptions of aliens that were supposedly seen, because the media says it. *rolls eyes*

My opinion on aliens is this... Yes, they could be little green men, or could very well be human, or even another sort of species. However, I don't believe most are really exraterrestial(sp?). With the blurryness of so many accounts, and how quickly they dissapear, and how so many can be seen going in and out of the Earth's oceans and seas, I'd consider it more likely that they are simply either beings living deep within the Earth, farther than humankind has been able to delve... OR that they are simply a form of inter-dimensional travellers. But, hey, thats just my opinion.

As far as most of what Sefewet and Silent Flame have said, there is simply one big reason I do not agree with it -- I do not believe in God. Not a true God anyway. A powerful being assuming the station, and manipulating people to Its will? Yeah, that I believe. But I don't believe in any of the Gods or Goddesses ever mention throughout history, religious media etc. etc. It all just strikes a severly wrong cord with me.

And finally... Hopefully you all can keep this topic to a debate, and not a flaming. Its all a matter of beliefs, similar to religions. Would you flame someone for being of a different religion than you?

[Shade]

Personal beliefs are based in truth found unique to each individual (but not neccessarially different than others). What we see as truth may differ with their truth, and theirs with ours. Hence, the debate. It doesn't seem to me like flaming, for a few good reasons. Whether this is online or not, it's a spiritual debate, and those get touchy, especially when toes are stepped on. And also, the person in question who is being flamed, is holding his ground in his own way.

[terro]

there is no their truth and our truth. There is one truth, the only differing factor is our perception of that truth. There are either a race of aliens coming to destroy our planet and to fight them will be a tag team match of the Host and a bunch of Fallen, or there is not any of that, it is not both.

In my last post, I gave up trying to be objective and put my perspective of the truth down, I figure if he can place his beliefs down as fact, so can I. I do not flame a person for a different religion, I flame for a person who has radical beliefs that claims them as fact and disrespects my beliefs in such a way as Silentflame and Sefewet have.